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At the moment is used in (at least) two rather different ways.

  1. For questions on motivations for some mathemtical subjects and related things, like For calculus students, what should be the intuition or motivation behind series?

  2. For questions on motivating or motivated individuals like How to deal with very motivated students having "off-topic" interests? or Quotations of Great Mathematicians as a Source of Inspiration for Young Students

Both usages are rather common and legitimate, but then in my mind these are rather quite different types of questions. Thus, I am thinking about splitting that tag.

Is this a good idea? If so, how could the new tags be named? (Preferrably the name should make the intended usecase clear, but since we have tag wikis it is not crucial.)

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    $\begingroup$ I think "motivation" should apply to case 1. I don't have a good suggestion for what to tag case 2 questions, but I agree they should be different. $\endgroup$ Apr 4, 2014 at 23:46
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    $\begingroup$ Aha, there is a "gifted-students" tag. That covers one of your examples of case 2. $\endgroup$ Apr 4, 2014 at 23:49
  • $\begingroup$ @brendansullivan07 an option could be to use some existing tags like the one you mentioned and to tag the rest with a to be introduced general-pedagogy I proposed $\endgroup$
    – quid
    Apr 5, 2014 at 0:11
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    $\begingroup$ (There is still no concept-motivation tag...) $\endgroup$ Apr 9, 2014 at 1:47
  • $\begingroup$ What is a good method to split the tags? Is there a way to do it without bringing all related questions to the top? $\endgroup$ Apr 9, 2014 at 9:12
  • $\begingroup$ @MarkusKlein There is no actual method for this. The only thing moderators can do is rename and merge tags. So the best one can do is retag manually all but "one part" (the largest). This remainder then can be renamed. $\endgroup$
    – quid
    Apr 9, 2014 at 14:26
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    $\begingroup$ @BenjaminDickman I agree we should have that tag. (Its creation did just not happen in the process of retagging). If you think it fits somewhere, please add it. $\endgroup$
    – quid
    Apr 13, 2014 at 19:07

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Update (quid): I did the rename discussed in comments. So all is gone :-) There might be room for finer tuning, but I think the sort of fits for all that remaons and the rename does not prevent any later optimsation.


I think, we agreed on introducing for questions of the first type and for questions of the second type? (And maybe as soon as there will be more question, to introduce another tag like or whatever comes next.

I would split the following questions which are now tagged as as follows. Please comment if you don't agree. (Stroked questions are already re-tagged)

concept-motivation

student-motivation

Not sure

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    $\begingroup$ Excellent work here. I think the math club one is definitely student-motivation, while the "showing work" question doesn't actually get any of these tags. $\endgroup$ Apr 11, 2014 at 14:59
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    $\begingroup$ I retagged a couple of them but don't want to totally drown out the new question queue with the retags... is there any way to retag without causing this disruption? $\endgroup$ Apr 11, 2014 at 15:04
  • $\begingroup$ @ChrisCunningham As quid mentioned in the comments of the question: There is no actual method for this. The only thing moderators can do is rename and merge tags. So the best one can do is retag manually all but "one part" (the largest). This remainder then can be renamed -- I suggest to just retag the ones for concept-motivation and others and let him (or another mod) retag the student-motivation questions. $\endgroup$ Apr 11, 2014 at 15:16
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    $\begingroup$ Thanks for doing all the retagging work. I did one more manual retag; and changed motivation to student-motivation. I also agree with the one where you suggest teacher-motivation; but that question having been edited a lot recently I thought I will not do this just now. Yet, also it has a student-motivation aspect; actually I think it might be the teachers tag that might be repalced by the teacher-motivation, and we might do so when untangling the teachers tag. $\endgroup$
    – quid
    Apr 11, 2014 at 18:23
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For anyone who deals with primary and secondary students, the second meaning is more familiar. Perhaps we should avoid the motivation tag completely, and find other tags fo each of these meanings.

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  • $\begingroup$ This is a good point. What would you think of calling one students-motivation and the other mathematical-motivations? (It can be useful to have word for which people might search when chosing a tag in the name as tag search matches strings) $\endgroup$
    – quid
    Apr 5, 2014 at 10:29
  • $\begingroup$ @quid I seem to have sneaked in a similar suggestion 11 seconds before your comment! $\endgroup$ Apr 5, 2014 at 10:32
  • $\begingroup$ @BenjaminDickman Yes, I just noticed and was in the process of commenting on yours. But again you were faster than me! :-) I think your suggestion is better. $\endgroup$
    – quid
    Apr 5, 2014 at 10:35
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How about:

teacher-motivation, student-motivation, concept-motivation

For (repetitive) clarity: The first refers to questions about motivating teachers; the second refers to questions about motivating students; and the third refers to questions about motivating concepts.

It's true that the word motivation is not being used the same way in the first two vs. the third; however, I think that the difference is clarified by these lengthened versions (and accompanying descriptions).

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    $\begingroup$ (More or less reposting my comment from elsewhere.) I like this suggestion. It seems people use the word 'motivation' intuitively in both ways. Thus it is good to have the word actually in the tag in all cases, as tag search matches strings. I think these three should cover the usecases nicely and concept-motivation seems a better name for what I called mathematical-motivation. I think the risk of confusion will be small, already just from the names, and having a brief tagwiki it can be avoided altogether. $\endgroup$
    – quid
    Apr 5, 2014 at 10:42
  • $\begingroup$ I like student-motivation and concept-motivation, but teacher-motivation is unclear to me. Can you maybe provide 1-2 examples for this? $\endgroup$ Apr 5, 2014 at 14:34
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    $\begingroup$ @MarkusKlein, not sure it will come up here, but all the horrid VAM ("value-added meausures") stuff, where they want to pay teachers more who allegedly raise test scores more, relates to this. I think they have a wrong conception of teacher motivation. $\endgroup$
    – Sue VanHattum Mod
    Apr 6, 2014 at 12:46
  • $\begingroup$ Perhaps we don't need the teacher-motivation tag until the issue comes up, if ever. $\endgroup$
    – Sue VanHattum Mod
    Apr 6, 2014 at 12:47

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